Demons, Souls, and Vietnamese Taoist Magic

Taoist Altar

(Disclaimer:  The views and opinions expressed in this article is that of the author and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions held by this blog or Taobabe)

Author:  Phillip K.

My name is Phillip and I am a Taoism Magic Practitioner.  This is my story about the journey that I took into the world of Taoist Magic.

In 2012, My mother got in argument with a female co-worker who was rumor to be a Ngải practitioner, or what the western world knows of as a Black Magic Sorcerer.  This is very lethal magic.  This sorcerer has been known to have used black magic in the past to shutdown a co-worker’s business.  She has also killed off an entire family prior to the attack on my family.  After my mother’s altercation with her, horrible things started to happen to me and my family.  My dad died and my mother was possessed by spirits, causing her to go crazy.  I was in college at the time and had to quit attending because I too, almost died from it.

Our family struggled with constant serious magical attacks for two years until, out of desperation, I cultivated Taoism as a form of self-protection for myself and my family.  I had to learn how to do exorcisms for all three of my souls and all 7 spirit layers because I was possessed by an evil god (yêu quái) that had gained access to my three souls via two portal openings.  I needed to seal up these portals so that I could drain out the energy stealing magic from my seven Spirit Layers because it had been so badly contaminated by the evil god that I was lucky enough to survive it.

One of these portals was linked to a female with a home-made altar, so i suspect it is the woman who was rumored to be the practitioner of Ngải sorcery.  The other portal was a big professional altar linked to a male sorcerer for hire.  He not only sent the evil god to possess me, he also sent Goo spirits to contaminate my three souls.  Just to clarify, around my house, we call this type of spirit or Goo in Chinese.  Goo spirits are worms, insects, microscopic organism, and in my case, poisonous and carnivorous plants.

I am currently learning from a Chinese Taoist master in Canada, and i am receiving direct teachings and magic from him.  I was his client at first but my attacks were so severe that when he sealed up one portal, shortly thereafter, another portal emerged and a new entity came in to attack me, so i had to learn how to fight them myself.  I set up a Taoist altar of my own.  I do my own cultivation, writing and activation of my own Bùa spells, and I perform my own exorcism, sealing and backfiring.  I now also have tools specifically designed to burst Ngải spirits and toxins as well.

Even though I am cultivating Taoism and have learned how to use exorcism to deal with the attacks, I am still contaminated with Goo and gong residue left behind from several evil god possessions.  I have destroyed them, but I am still undergoing self-detox to remove the remaining residue.  I have use what is known as ‘backfire exorcism’ to bounce the evil magic back to its source.  It apparently seems to be working because I have recently heard news that the sorcerer had to quit her job because she has fallen ill.  I am no longer in a state of life-threatening emergency like I was at first, but i will definitely keep you update on my progress.

On the Three Souls and the Seven Spirits

If you are not familiar with the concept of the three souls and seven spirits of the human psyche, this is how it works.  The Vietnamese Taoists call them 3 hồn 7 phách, literally translated as Three Souls, Seven Spirits.  Each human being has three souls:  the Physical Soul, the Mental Soul, and the Central Soul.  Around these three souls are seven protective layers called Spirits Layers.  These Layers protect the three souls and keep them in place for the duration of a human’s lifetime.

When a person dies, the first of the seven Spirit Layers dies and releases its protective connection to the Central Soul (aka yuen sun central, celestial, or soul celestial) causing the Central Soul to float upward into outer-space.  The energy of the Central Soul merges back into nature’s energy source, or what Taoists call Chi.  Between day two and day seven, one by one, the seven spirits die, causing the Mental Soul to sink down into the ground.  As each spirit dies out, the Mental Soul sinks further and further into the earth’s core.  When all seven spirit die, there is nothing left to tether the Physical Soul to the physical world, and it will then sink until it reaches the Mental Soul.  At this point, the two souls will combine into one.  After that, this combination Mental/Physical Soul goes into another realm or dimension.  This dimension is a bubble world that exists between the yang realm and the yin realm, or what the Vietnamese call the âm giới and dương giới.  There, it sits and waits for the right time and condition to be reincarnated again.

On the Yin Realm and the Yang Realm

The yin and yang realms are not located somewhere out there in the universe.  It exists right here on Earth.  Our planet is split into two parallel worlds, the yin realm and the yang realm.  We currently live in the yang realm, so when this Mental/Physical Combo Soul gets reborn again, it does not come back into this yang realm (dương giới).  Rather, it will be reincarnated into the yin realm (âm giới).  People living in the yin realm are just normal people like us.  They are born, they grow up, they grow old, and then they die.  This is the same pattern in either realm.  If you live in the yang realm, when you die, you reincarnate into yin realm.  When you’ve finished living your life in the yin realm, you die again and reincarnate back into yang realm.  This is the pattern of reincarnation.

It’s not just Earth that has this duo realms.  In each planet of our solar system there are humans living in them.  Here on Earth, in our yang realm, we see the planets as devoid of any life forms, and with harsh atmosphere, but in the other dimension it has the right condition to sustain life.  Likewise, if people living in yin realm were to look at Earth from their dimensional perspective, they will see no life and will believe that Earth cannot sustain life, and they will be correct in their realm.

Science has theories about the multiverse and parallel dimensions, and they are dead right about these theories.  Scientists just don’t yet have the technology to explore and confirm these theories, but we can confirm it through traveling with our souls as well as portal teleportation.  It’s not about imagining anything or doing any meditation.  It has nothing to do with lucid dreaming or astral projection.  You just simply do it.  It’s as simple as that.

On Ghosts and Demons

In the post, The Tao Babe’s Third Eye, there is a quote from John Blofeld which needs to be addressed.  It reads:

“Men, animals, ghosts, demons— all deserve sympathetic consideration.  Formed from the great Tao, Matrix of the Universe, all are equally necessary to nature’s purposes.  If we destroy any being without good cause, how can we expect our fellows to treat us less belligerently?  Let live, leave well enough alone, abstain from exaggerated reactions and one may be sure of remaining on good terms with all the hosts of heaven, earth, and hell.  Even corpse-devouring demons are capable of gratitude.” — John Blofeld.

In my opinion, he doesn’t know what he’s talking about—yet another bullshit author.  Ghost and demons do not deserve our sympathy.  We see one, we kill one.  There is no need for us to feel remorse or feel sorry for them because we should not cross into each other’s realms and cause trouble.  Each reincarnated group should stay in their respective realms, but sometimes, people who were born into the yin realm find a way to cross over to our realm and cause trouble.  We call them ghosts, but unfortunately, they are not the only ones who cross over into our realm.

To clarify all the various groups that can cross over to our world, here is a general list that incorporates most of those groups.

Evil gods – Let say for example someone good dies, and people want to deify or turn him into a saint/god, so they worship and pray to him.  Unfortunately, it is impossible for a dead person to turn into a god.  In fact, it is impossible to turn anything man-made into a god, so what happens instead, is that it attracts evil entities from other dimensions to come into this yang realm to claim godhood.  The people want to worship something, so by the simple act of worshiping a ‘graven image’, the evil entity becomes these people’s gods. It effectively claims the title.  This means that when people worship and offer food or pray, they are sending energy to this evil entity and this evil entity hangs around and consumes all this free energy.  This is how an evil god is created.

For the people who are scared of the unknown when they die, they trust and rely on a god or deity to save them but in actually they will be doomed because most of the deities out there are fakes.  When you worship man-made statues or fake things, you will be taken by evil gods and entities and will either be eaten out of existence, or at the very least, become enslaved.  Deities do not need to be worshiped unless they are control freaks.  They have better shit to do than sit inside your statue on top of your altar all day long hearing you pray.  Despite what you think, they are not omnipotent.  They cannot be in a million places at once with other people having the same altar, hearing everyone pray at the same time.

A good example is Quan Yin.  In Buddhist temples and homes, 99% of this deity’s statues are FAKE.

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This is the original Quan Yin.  He was a man who originated in India.

Today’s version 2.0 is Chinese and has changed gender to be a woman who looks all nice and shit.

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—so fake.

Look at India today.  I wouldn’t want to go there.  It’s one of the poorest countries in the world, full of starvation and natural disasters.

In short, it’s best not to worship anything.  Stay atheist and stay safe.

Animal Spirit (Yêu) – Yêu are animal beings, or intelligent animal beings from a different dimension.  They do not usually interact with us, but sometimes, one turns evil in the same manner as an evil god can.  By the very act of worshipping them, humans allow them to cross over and consume energy from the worship.  Black sorcerers take advantage of these spirits for their purposes or evil tasks.  If you have ever watched the movie, Journey to the West and see Monkey King and Pig Demon, they look exactly like these beings.

Demon (Quái) –  These spirits do not look like animals.  They look very odd or out of the ordinary; really weird looking.  For example, they may have three heads or a messed up face with bone rib cages hanging out.  These things are quái or ma qui.  It could also be a combo (Yêu Quái) if it is an animal but looks very odd and messed up, or doesn’t completely look like an animal, in which case we call them Animal Demon.

Animal Demons, similar to evil gods and other types  demons can also affect physical objects, depending on the situation and if it is really powerful, or if the yêu is made up of some physical matter.  It can also affect physical objects in our yang realm if it has been cursed or worshiped by a large religious group over and over for a long period of time.

Ghost (Ma) – Yin beings are like us when they are in their yin realm.  They are not labeled as a ghost until they cross over to our yang realm and cause havoc.  They are never in the form of three souls because to cross over to our realm, they have to leave their Central Soul behind in their yin realm.  They will either have a single soul or dual soul but never a Central Soul.

There are three categories of, single/dual soul ghosts.

The first and most common type is the one with only a Mental Soul.  You cannot see these ghosts because this type is invisible but they can mess with you through your mind.  They can talk to you and brainwash you; they can make you go crazy, and even have suicidal tendencies.  The Mental Soul ghosts do not have eyes so they cannot see you.  They can only sense you, like a blur or an energy glow.

The second category is the ghost with only a Physical Soul.  You can see these ghosts but they have no thoughts or intelligence.  However, they can haunt you and they do cause fear when they appear in front of you.  Because they have no thoughts, they cannot mess with your mind.  Visually, they look like misty, like black or grey fog or gas.  They may even take on a misty human shape, but they are usually the least dangerous of the ghost types.

Category three, the dual soul ghost, is the most dangerous and most powerful of all the ghosts because they are lethal.  You can see them and they can mess with your head or even kill you even though ghosts, in general, cannot affect you physically because they cannot affect physical objects in the yang realm.

Then, there are the poltergeists—ghost that can move physical objects.  Actually, its a misconception because ghost cannot do these things.  However, if a category three ghost, one with both a Mental Soul and a Physical Soul were to attach itself to you, then you will be able to see things moving and banging around.  However if I were to be there in person with you, then i would not see it.  This is because that ghost has successfully attacked and penetrated through your seven spirit layers and have knocked your three souls out of alignment, which causes you to see illusions.

Not all ghosts are evil, just as not all people are evil.  However, we currently have people who monitor this situation, and anywhere these ghosts are found, they are killed for the violation of trespassing.  Likewise, if we somehow found a way to trespass into their realm and cause havoc, they also have people who will kill us.

Ghosts are different from demons (yêu quái and ma quỉ).  Demons reside in the multiverse.  You may see them in movies and think they are all fake and made-up, but they are very real, and they do exist in the multiverse.    Of course, not all Demons are evil, just as not all humans are evil, and as long as Demons stay in their multiverses, we don’t bother them.  They should also not bother us.  They are not allow to cross over to our side or have any sort of interaction with our world.  We cannot live along side them.   For the ones who cross over to cause trouble , if we see them, we annihilate them without hesitation.  We don’t waste time asking them to leave because if they can come and go, they can also return at a different location.   There is no talking to them or negotiation with them.  We kill them on the spot.  We do not show any sympathy or remorse or hesitation because they are dangerous.

Don’t let the Demons fool you into thinking they are gods.  If you hand over your souls to them thinking you will go to Paradise, they can eat your souls and you will die permanently, which means no more reincarnation.  If they cross over, they are most likely here to cause havoc and should be killed.  In short, they should just keep the fuck out.

On Heaven, Hell, and the Celestial Realm

Let me make this abundantly clear.  There is no Hell, and Heaven is not what you think it is.

The concept of Heaven and Hell as we know it, is just stupidity and blind faith—some made up fake Buddhism and karma theory, or Christian bullshit scare tactics to control people.  It doesn’t exist.   If it actually exists, we should be able to create a map or locate it with a GPS, but nobody has ever been able to pin point the exact location of its whereabouts.  Those who prescribe to the idea of hell being located in a physical place cannot support what they claim.  Let me repeat, it is all fake bullshit.  It is all man-made religions which allow gullible people to be eaten or enslaved by evil gods and demonic entities when they die.  If they are eaten, they cannot reincarnate, and are swallowed up out of existence.  This is why atheism is the safest route.  You simply do not believe or worship anything, and you do not give up your souls for any thing or any god that asks you to.

Celestial Realm, or Heaven (thiên giới) on the other hand, does exist.  It is located way pass the galaxies and the milky way, in the far reaches of the known Universe, which is all of space-time and everything that exists therein, including all planets, stars, galaxies, the contents of intergalactic space, the smallest subatomic particles, and all matter and energy.  You cannot go to Heaven when you die unless you have spent time cultivating yourself and working towards having a life there.  Technology over there is far more advance than ours, very glassy looking to the point that it’s hard to believe its Taoism at all.

But that’s not for everybody.   Even Taoists can’t go there if they don’t know how.  They will just go to yin realm like everybody else when they die because this is how nature works.  This cycle of reincarnation is how you purify your soul.  There really is no short cut, but there are so many people who don’t trust in nature and allow it to do its thing.  They fear the unknown and they fear what happens to them when they die. This causes them to develop a belief system where they must worship a deity, and this deity will somehow save them.  They believe that they get to go to heaven if they do good deeds (or at least confess their bad deeds), and if they do bad deeds, they go to hell.

Furthermore, they also believe that if someone does not believe in anything or have no religion, or worship a different deity than the one that they believe in, this person is doomed because their god will not save this person and he or she will go to hell.  This is the way most theist religions like Christianity work.  In short, if you don’t worship God or Jesus, he will damn you to hell.  In other religions, if you do not believe in their prescribed deity, or if you do bad deeds, you may not go to hell, but you don’t get saved either, and you will disappear out of existence as your corpse and body breaks down.

Truth is, most everybody living in this world simply gets reincarnated into yin realm and starts over with a new life there.  To reach heaven, you cannot just simply do good deeds and think it is enough to reach the Celestial Realm.  There are protocols you must follow—and of course u can’t be evil—your energy has to be pure—no bad energy.  You must also want to go there AND have a cultivation method to reach there so you can have a life there when u die.

On the Difference Between Taoist Philosophy and Taoist Magic

The way to gain the ability to sense and interact with energy and sense ghost is to cultivation Taoism.  Do not confuse Taoist philosophy with Taoist Magic.  The two are separate entities.  The Taoist philosophy is the same philosophy we all know and love, but Taoist Exorcism and Magic is a completely different thing.  It is divided into different lineages, such as Luk Yam Lineage, Mao Shen Lineage, etc…the list goes on and on, and because it is composed of people and run by people, there will always be impure Taoist sects that say they are Taoists, but also incorporate scams and dark magic into their lineage.

These Taoist lineages may or may not have been pure thousands of years ago but as time passed, corruption set in and it became no longer pure.  My Taoist master used to be part of the Luk Yam and Mao Shen sect and was an active practitioner of Taoist Magic, but he quit because he felt it was corrupted.  You can tell a sect is corrupt when they try to kill you with magic for wanting to leave.  When he quit, many people from his sect did try to kill him with magic.

Luk Yam and Mao Shen sects are damn evil!  They harness power from the fox demons, pig demons, ghosts, etc.  They also don’t just kill ghosts, they manipulate and enslave them.  Remember, ghosts are just regular people like you and me, who just happen to be going through reincarnation on the other side and for some reason, found themselves back in our realm.

These impure sects dig up people’s coffins and tame ghosts and raise ghost babies to do their work for them.  They claim to do exorcisms and kill ghost but they are pretty much using evil to kill off another evil.  It’s like treating poison with a stronger poison.  Other similar sect you should avoid is the Lui Son, Am Son.  There are also more sects like this but one way to figure out if its really legit or not is this: there is no evil or sorcery in Taoism.  If they promote these things, then they are an evil cult, using the gentle and benign Taoist philosophy as a cloak to hid the fact that they are sorcerers.

The Leader of the lineage that his own master was in also felt it was no longer pure.  He showed my master a set of cultivation techniques to reach Celestial realm and gave him an assignment to find a new raw power source because his master was too old to do it himself.  He cultivated so he could soul travel to Celestial Realm and was able to reach there 5 years ago.  He went on to discover a 100% uncorrupted power source, detox and had to forget all he learned in the past to obtain this new form of raw Taoist magic, which he transferred down to earth.

On the Third Eye Spell

I did a little snooping around to find the origin of this Ghost Eye Spell, and I was right about my suspicion from the start.  This Ghost Eye Spell is called Yin Yang Vision (cặp mắt âm dương).  This Ghost Eye Spell (Bùa) is highly dangerous.  It will not open your third eye.  It’s a scam, a dangerous trick, especially in a religion that has has sects which cultivate and immerse in magic.

A lot of these spells are in the market today to scam people, I have seen this spell in a website.  Once a person tries this spell, it will be like they are cursed and they will be haunted because the Mental Soul will be out of place, which leads to mental illness, seeing illusions.  They start to see fake things and think they are actually seeing ghost.  There is no need to use such spell.  It is highly dangerous and is a scam.

This Ghost Eye Spell originated from a Taoist Magic sect called the Mau Sơn.  This lineage is very popular as it is often featured in Chinese movies and in movies having to do with busting vampires and other such creatures.  My tao master also used to be in this Lineage.  He did exorcisms free of charge when he was young, then later was ordain into the sect.  He used to be the 73rd generation disciple (đệ tử đời thứ 73) from Mau Sơn sect.  He graduated from there, but left and removed everything he learned from that lineage.

He still has a copy of this ghost eye spell, but it’s not just one spell.  There are two separate Ghost Eye Spells.  One spell is activated by using Five-Ghosts altar.  It is opposite of the the one you posted and it is for you to NOT see ghosts.  You wear and carry this spell with you.  You activate use half cold water, half hot water, mix it together and wipe it in your eyes to see ghost.

The power source for this spell comes from the Five-Ghosts.  The Five-Ghosts are from a constellation with five stars in space and the power emerge from the energy of these five stars.  Magic practitioners also use this to check and see if those Five-Ghosts are present on their altar, as well as to see other ghosts.  The reason why I said it is dangerous in the first place is because there are two huge major side effects to cultivation such magic.

The magic has only a short term effect and it is not a freebie.  You will have to lose something in your life in return for its temporary effects.  Once the Five-Ghosts have taken what they want from you, they offer their short term magic and then thereafter, they will no longer respond with the fortune wealth magic.  The Yin Yang Vision Magic (cặp mắt âm dương) will then screw up your life and makes you go crazy and see illusions.  So not only is there a sacrifice trade, once the magic stops working you will get a mental illness call schizophrenia.

There are other spells that use the Five-Ghosts energy for wealth gaining, revenge, spying etc.  It is also used for wining in gambling when done on the Five-Ghost altar and burning ghost money.  I have actually seen this Ghost Eye Spell selling in a website at taosecret.com.  On this site, the Taoist master also advertised and want people to buy his book in order to know the incantation to activate the Ghost Eye Spell.  The author of this book is from that impure Taoist lineage I spoke about, Luk Yam.  I have seen some of the magic that he has promoted.  You can win at gambling with his magic, you can get spider, beast, fox possession demon spells to hurt your enemy, there are five ghost money transfer spells to transfer money to yourself from someone else (i.e. stealing).  He shows you how to raise a baby ghost to do your bidding.  He also offers a tourist’s Hell Tour.  This Hell Tour makes the user think he/she is soul-traveling around hell, but in truth, it’s all just Scorpion and Snake sorcery.  As I’ve said before, there is no such thing as hell, and anyone trying to sell hell is trying to con you.  Nothing but bad can come out of it.

Demon Warfare

Having the ability to see ghosts and demons is not scary at all.  It’s not just for seeing ghosts and demons.  It’s pretty much used for anything and everything that has to do with the other dimension that is overlapping and interacting with our dimension.  It’s not like u see them everywhere you go, but if you are suited up with knowledge and battle gear, it’s just like playing ping pong (or a video game).  You can bust them like they are shit.  To be able to see them, one method is activating your Center Soul.  It needs to be activated to gain sensory.  Once your Center Soul has been activated, you need to inject Chi (thiên khí) into the other two souls, and then a protection layer on top of the seven spirits.

It will be like a 6th sense at first but much stronger and more solid than that.  You can sense danger before it comes, and also sense energy types.  This is why we can define what is good energy and what is the evil energy, because we can interact with it.  As it grows stronger, you can then see it.  You will be able to see warfare that takes place when you do exorcisms.  You can even see Chi (thiên khí) blast out of your swords and weapons, or palm blasts and hand signs, and in effect, be a warrior against demons.

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22 thoughts on “Demons, Souls, and Vietnamese Taoist Magic

  1. DL July 15, 2014 at 10:45 am

    Hello there, interesting stuff, what is said here is very similar to the teachings of Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita, with some big differences… I’m wondering if this information comes from first hand, second hand or if it is a tradition because it could have evolved from the Bhagavad Gita.

    Here are some relevant quotes:

    Whosoever desires to worship whatever deity (using
    whatever name, form, and method) with faith, I make their
    faith steady in that very deity. (7.21)
    Endowed with steady faith they worship that deity, and
    fulfill their wishes through that
    deity. Those wishes are,
    indeed, granted only by Me. (7.22)
    Such material gains of these less intelligent human beings
    are temporary. The worshipers of Devas go to Devas, but
    My devotees come to Me. (7.23)

    Worshippers of the Devas go to the Devas, the worshippers
    of the ancestors go to the ancestors, and the worshippers of
    the ghosts go to the ghosts, but My devotees come to Me
    and are not born again. (See also 8.16) (9.25)

    The Sāttvika persons worship Devas, the Rājasika people
    worship Devas and demons, and the Tāmasika persons
    worship ghosts and spirits. (17.04)

    About the soul destruction Krishna says that the soul cannot be destroyed:

    The one who thinks that Atmā is a slayer, and the one who
    thinks that Atmā is slain, both are ignorant, because Atmā
    neither slays nor is slain. (2.19)
    Atmā always exists. It is neither born nor does it die at any
    time. It is unborn, endless, permanent and ageless. The
    Atmā is not destroyed when the body is destroyed. (2.20)
    O Arjuna, how can a person who knows that the Atmā
    is permanent, beginningless, endless, unborn, and
    indestructible kill anyone or cause anyone to be killed?
    (2.21)

    This Atmā cannot be cut, burned, wetted, or dried up by
    any other means. It is permanent, unchanging, immovable,
    and ageless. (2.24)
    Atmā is said to be beginningless, unthinkable, and
    unchanging. Knowing this Atmā as such you should not
    grieve. (2.25)

    On atheism, here are the relevant quotes:

    Persons of demonic nature do not know what to do and
    what not to do. They neither have purity nor good conduct
    nor truthfulness. (16.07)
    They say that the world is unreal, without any support,
    without a God, and without an order. The world is caused
    by lust (or Kāma) alone and nothing else. (16.08)
    Holding such views, these lost souls, with small intellect
    and cruel deeds, are born as enemies for the destruction of
    the world. (16.09)
    Filled with desires that are never satisfied, hypocrisy,
    pride, and arrogance; holding wrong views due to
    confusion; they act with impure motives. (16.10)
    Such persons are troubled with great anxiety until death,
    and consider sense pleasure as their highest aim and
    everything. (16.11)

    These haters, cruel, sinful, and mean people of the world
    are thrown into the wombs of demons again and again.
    (16.19)
    O Arjuna, entering the wombs of demons birth after birth,
    the ignorant ones sink to the lowest hell without ever
    attaining Me. (16.20)
    Lust, anger, and greed are the three gates of hell leading to
    rebirth of Jeeva. Therefore, one must learn to give up these
    three evils. (16.21)

    So, atheism would not be really the safe route, because it’s the mode of ignorance (tamas).

    source: http://www.gita4free.com/Book/english-verse.pdf

    I’m not qualified to criticize this blog entry, however the part about the souls being permanently destroyed seems exaggerated to me. I find illogical that God would encourage people to worship anything just to have them permanently destroyed. According to Krishna, all prayers go to God, even those made to lottery tickets.

    Also, the quote from John Blofeld seems pretty much in line with 38.1 “When you see evil people,
    Guard yourself against mistakes.”

    Wilhelm comments:

    “On the other hand, it is well to be cautious when evil men who do not belong with us force themselves upon us, again as the result of a misunderstanding. Here the important thing is to avoid mistakes. We must not try to shake off these evil men by force; this would give rise to real hostility. We must simply endure them. They will eventually withdraw of their own accord.”

    I couldn’t agree more.

  2. Phillip July 19, 2014 at 10:52 am

    HI DL! ,

    “what is said here is very similar to the teachings of Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita, with some big differences… I’m wondering if this information comes from first hand, second hand or if it is a tradition because it could have evolved from the Bhagavad Gita.”

    This information does not come from anything religious and religious affiliated of any kind, nor is it tradition, the information also does not comes from books of any kind. with practitioners and cultivators just simple observe and collect data and have interactions . Everything posted is all based on Teacher experience, other practitioner’s experience in the Sect , and personal witness experience that I have encountered. There is no need for book reading or someone to tell you this is how things work and you believe it ,Even ur tao teacher doesn’t need to tell u anything on how nature works ,this exist or that exist, because with the right tools, and knowledge u can gain insight and experience for yourself, I myself have encounter and exorcised ,Ghost,Evil gods, black sorcery curse, plant sorcery and Yêu spirits, …infact I recently enter a home that is contaminated with negative energy ,very gloomy ,dark ,it was believe to have a poltergiest ,thumping in the attic,knocking on car windows, and rambling noises, in the house, even footsteps in the kitchen ,I have recently did battle my very first time encounter experience which turn out to be a Yêu spirit -but in the catergory very similar to the western scacubus were it also dream attacks the victim cuasing victim to be sexually assaulted in sleep and experience a form of sleep paralysis, when it manifest outside dream attack victim feels hair on end stands,goosebumps all over skin, extreme fear and anxiety, I was even attack while doing spells when it melted through the wall right on my side , I was ill prepared with the wrong exorcism tool and wasn’t expecing to encounter this catergory so I perform a request emergency help spell to calm the situation down and next few days prepare the right exorcism tool,i was able to solve the situation and discover there were certain items that allowed the yeu spirit to go hiding in and out so the items simply get destroy and toss outt i was able to oberserve those 3 days battle its characteristics and properties from this spirit, without my tao master saying much about it but when I confirm with him it matched his info on this type also.
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    On atheism, here are the relevant quotes:

    “Persons of demonic nature do not know what to do and
    what not to do. They neither have purity nor good conduct
    nor truthfulness. (16.07)
    They say that the world is unreal, without any support,
    without a God, and without an order. The world is caused
    by lust (or Kāma) alone and nothing else. (16.08)
    Holding such views, these lost souls, with small intellect
    and cruel deeds, are born as enemies for the destruction of
    the world. (16.09)
    Filled with desires that are never satisfied, hypocrisy,
    pride, and arrogance; holding wrong views due to
    confusion; they act with impure motives. (16.10)
    Such persons are troubled with great anxiety until death,
    and consider sense pleasure as their highest aim and
    everything. (16.11) ”

    “So, atheism would not be really the safe route, because it’s the mode of ignorance (tamas).”

    Ok lets compare to someone that has a relgion vs an atheist

    Persons of demonic nature do not know what to do and
    what not to do. They neither have purity nor good conduct
    nor truthfulness. (16.07)———–this applies to everyone u can be evil in nature and have a religion, u can also be evil in nature and be an atheist, it works both ways I see no point in this statement- jus because u have a religion doesn’t mean u never do evil -and do bad things steal or lies etc. so this applies to both a person with both religion and atheist ,and u cannot say all atheist are evil – not all atheist do evil deeds . as well as not religious people do evil deeds.

    They say that the world is unreal, without any support,
    without a God, and without an order. The world is caused
    by lust (or Kāma) alone and nothing else. (16.08) ——-

    ok from my experience gods,dieties, ghost,demon etc (the paranormal and unexplained) exist and I can comfirm it because I have experience it for myself- a true atheist only believed in what he sees and is able to collect and observe data just like a scientist- they do not trust blind faith- just because someone say or a book say it exist they must have evidence- u cannot tell them it exist or say a book says so- they have to see it also – they only see whats they can observer and have evidence for- a true atheist do no make a claim that a god doesn’t exist they just label them unknown- they do not know if it exist or not so they do not make such claim they can’t believe what they cannot see and have no evidence.

    These haters, cruel, sinful, and mean people of the world
    are thrown into the wombs of demons again and again.
    (16.19)
    O Arjuna, entering the wombs of demons birth after birth,
    the ignorant ones sink to the lowest hell without ever
    attaining Me. (16.20)
    Lust, anger, and greed are the three gates of hell leading to
    rebirth of Jeeva. Therefore, one must learn to give up these
    three evils. (16.21)

    and yess i do agree there are closed minded atheist as well they say there is no such thing as gods ,deities, ghost,demons etc –they absolutely say there is no such thing – it doesn’t exist instead of saying –well maybe it could exist I can’t support any evidence or seen or experience it so I do no know if it exist or not. instead these type of atheist make a absolute thinking that is really is no gods and dieties that exist. but I do not see the harm in that. everyone has a set of belief system – they can choose to weather to believe or not believe or believe in whatever they want, I cannot say to someone and try to convince them what exist and what doesn’t exist , if u don’t believe in something then u go to hell..if u believe then u get save- I find that illogical because there are tons of religious out there u cannot say all religion are legit and the right path if u don’t believe in that religion then that particular god with doom u to hell.- because every religion claim their path is right- what if an atheist decides to choose a religion and what if they are wrong – then what??

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    “I’m not qualified to criticize this blog entry, however the part about the souls being permanently destroyed seems exaggerated to me. I find illogical that God would encourage people to worship anything just to have them permanently destroyed. According to Krishna, all prayers go to God, even those made to lottery tickets.”

    I have no understanding of this Krishna or Bhagavad Gita because I do not read up on it .
    but simple logic tells you
    ok if that god is real and a good god no problem right? good ur on the right path.ur saved nothing to worry about ..
    ..
    but u cannot assume all gods are good- when the world religious has tons and thousands of them,its illogic to think every single diety in the world are legit , and all are good- no evil gods,there can be good and evil gods-both . and there are also fake man made gods – there can also be man made gods invented and imagine up by men- so what happends if u worship something that doesn’t exist? u cannot just carve out a statue and imagine it up and worship it and it becomes a god-that god must exist and he is good, he comes to u and u worship him he saves u and u go to him realm right? but that’s not the case here-there are tons and tons of religious -some or many are man made imagined up and this attracts evil entity , my tao master has even witness some religious funerals were people were swallowed up by evil entity – and if u read up on the topic on the souls and spirits , it explain what happens when u die and what happens to the soul at its natural work – and this has been witness and observe as nature do its thing not out of text book or any old tradition. as I have said nothing is out of the book- here we use alter but not for worshiping- its with backfire curse spells, weapons gears etc and other magic – its is completly different from other tao sects and belief system – – its more of a a computer that u can connect online – and gets hands on experience and observe . and perform magic and exorcism and get insight at nature. ///

    I cannot convince u to believe in what I say – because u cannot gain insight on these things -nor could I get any insight on ur views on this Krishna or bhagavad teaching because we cannot support each others with evidence- I do not bash on other people’s nor could u or me convince an atheist to believe in the paranormal because we cannot support them with evidence- – and I don’t bash on other people’s belief system as I do believe in free will – everyone choose what he or she want to believe in. if they think they path is right then good for them – I go my way they go their way – if they are in spiritual problem they can seek help they can either believe u and go with it or they can choose not to continue and seek help from elsewhere.

    o btw just check out ur blog – Wrong tai chi logo- it should not look like an S it should look like a backwards S – its not just for decoration logo- or simple means yin and yang its very deep scientiftic stuff- with associated with the study constellations- seasons- elements and planets etc

  3. DL July 19, 2014 at 1:53 pm

    Hey Phillip,

    “but u cannot assume all gods are good- ”

    No, but there is a supreme God, that contains all the creatures, all the gods and all the universe.

    if an atheist decides to choose a religion and what if they are wrong – then what??

    Whosoever desires to worship whatever deity (using
    whatever name, form, and method) with faith, I make their
    faith steady in that very deity. (7.21)
    Endowed with steady faith they worship that deity, and
    fulfill their wishes through that
    deity. Those wishes are,
    indeed, granted only by Me. (7.22)

    Krishna explains that all prayers go to him, and he decides whether to grant them or not. It also creates a bond between you and them, even if you worship an inexistent object.

    “we cannot support each others with evidence”

    All I say is that it is difficult to accept that a soul is permanently destroyed but I’m not knowledgeable enough to say if you’re right or wrong. I’m not questioning your experiences, just reacting over this bit because permanent destruction is not something that I can understand.
    I can go as far as understanding that a soul won’t be able to reincarnate (before long), but permanent destruction is too extreme in my opinion.

    This said, your assertions do not really contradict the Bhagavad Gita, except that you only see gods but not one supreme God who dwells in everyone of us and the gods (devas).

    “Wrong tai chi logo”

    Yes the tai chi logo is an experiment of mine, I’m asking the I Ching which colors to use, but it’s a difficult process and I didn’t think about the shape, and it’s definitely not a priority of mine, more a hobby. It’s the second version of it. In fact I was focused on where are the young and old yin and yang, and which colors to use. Thanks for the input, I’ll try to improve it whenever I can.

    Thanks for the input

  4. taobabe July 19, 2014 at 2:10 pm

    Great conversations, guys! I’m just sitting back and enjoying the flow of thoughts. :-) I’m more of a laid back Taoist. I pretty much live and let live, but having said that, I enjoy a good clean debate just as much as anyone.

    Please don’t let me interrupt your conversations.

  5. Phillip July 19, 2014 at 7:56 pm

    hello DL,

    “but u cannot assume all gods are good- ”

    No, but there is a supreme God, that contains all the creatures, all the gods and all the universe.

    if an atheist decides to choose a religion and what if they are wrong – then what?? ”

    “Krishna explains that all prayers go to him, and he decides whether to grant them or not. It also creates a bond between you and them, even if you worship an inexistent object.”

    one question – is this all from this book ur pulling from, or is it personal entry to the other demension that u are getting this information from? can u gain entry into the other realm and get an insight into the process and confirm this is true?, this diety of urs in every single diety statues – for example – a budha statue,or the Christian god,or zeus,satan, aphrodite – someone prays and the worship and prayer goes to that diety ? or is this ur belief system and simply what u believe in? Lets say for example someone decides to make up a god- they worship thes deities would u be able to gain acess into the other dimension and see this worship energy go towards that diety and interact with that diety? can u support evidence if not evidence for other but for urself to confirm for urself with this self evidence and see first hand urself?

    I can also not provide u any evidence of what i experience because these are factors occuring in a different dimension which not every one can see. I cannot provide u any source from any books disproving ur belief system because my source of info does not come from any religious book or whatsoever.Here i do not read or believe in anything a book or anything /anyone says ,there is no belief system. if whatever claims to exist then it must exist and can gain insight into the facor , toaism is gaining insight and experience, best way is to see and observe nature and its laws for urself ,simply see nature and its law as it is through ur own perspect, this is what true Toaism is all about, learning, experiencing,interacting, observing, studying , , everything claim to exist must exist if it cannot be seen and can’t find to exist , its label as unknown or inexistence. just like a scientist but whats difference from scientist is they do not have the technology to explore these factors. just like scientist and atheist who cannot explore these factor they also label these thing unknown or inexistence if i were to claim and explain how nature works then they would disagree. and i do not blame them because i cannot support them with physical evidence.

    example : human used to think the earth is flat- but what happens when technology,science math improved and finally have the technology and they are able to gain insight into this factor. how bout now days we have rockets that goes to the moon and outer space ,telescopes and satellites , and radars scanning the suns activitiy and other planet in the solar system.which proves the earth is not flat- people were even kill backed then for even believing the earth is round because it contradicts what the teaching of the Christianity religion tells them. but guess what turns out they were right the earth is round not flat. after all.

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    okie on the topic of ur belief system in this karnash diety- in ur belief system its doesn’t matter what diety u belief in because its one and the same- u worship incredible hulk it goes to same diety – u worship santa claus energy goes to same diety- u worship iron man – worship energy goes to same dude. u worship the devil – same thing goes to same guy. so in ur belief system u cannot accept the fact souls can be destroy and the teaching ssay it cannot be destroyed. ur safe as long as u worship whatever even if its made up it goes to the same guy and that’s ur guy that’s going to save u when u die.

    so what i am saying will contradict what u believe in. But at the same time ur belief system has also contradict what i have experienced in real life application

    all i can say is belief/relgion does not mix well with science
    tao philosophy vs science mix very well ..well depening …

    tao magic vs science do not mix – ex tao exploration vs science exploration does not mix well because science do not have entry with their technology today.

    and tao exploration vs xxx religion or belief system do not mix ..

    as its clear that these things do not mix and there is no point of debate- of pulling out scriptures of this relgion vs another different relgious scripture or compare it to tao exploration and insights because because it will not go well and will not match..

    for example ::::

    okie and here is what i have seen and experience first handed – a household facing spiritual problems and attacks at night- the house is very gloomy with sad atmosphere, large amount of sunlight cannot even penetrate through the house because of the negative energy. there were multiple religious alter, and ancestral alters , they are from a Christian background, but also have ancestral alter, , they are extremely religious, but also follow the Asian tradition of incense burning ,food offering, they also believe in fengshiu and even alter for guan yu etc-a general from ancient Chinese war time….they were also facing bug problem and dun know why bugs are everywhere in the house large amount of bed bugs and other bug attractions in the living room. ..from their view they cannot see anything wrong with their things but they do know they were under attack – but as i come in a blast of negative energy attached on very heavy in the house, the house floor and walls were cover in worms,insects spirts from other realms crossing over, which is why they were attracting large amount of real insects and having bug problems in the living room. luck for them has been going down and in state of emergency, there were also items contaminated with negative energy – for them they see it as normal but in the other dimension it looks very disgusting very dark and greenish glow. when touching it it can also contaminate the victim. ..house needs major cleansing and detoxing to get rid of their problems. Ok so why are they facing spiritual attacks if this theory and belief system of urs is true? they should be fine wouldn’t they? the house should not be contaiminated instead give off a powerfull bright atmosphere, they should have better luck and should not be attack at night and should not be frightened

    ok back to topic of souls could not be permantly destroy..

    ok from what i know an individual have 3 types .. and 7 layers of energy,
    mental, physical, and heavenly. and layers of energy that cover and protect the 3 in place.
    u die – these 7 layer of enegery dies off each day one by one ur mental sink because its basically the most heaviest part with ur whole life experience, thinking,emotions and feelings so this one goes down first into the earth because its the heaviest and physical sinks down afterwards as the energy layers dies off one by one similar to a magnet as it dies off it cannot stick and sinks down, ur heavenly goes back to the pool of energy in outer space that belongs to nature, when both souls combine and turn into a twin soul with both then it gets transport to yin realm.and gets reincarnated as here we live we label this realm yang on the other realm its yin- so earth has 2 parrellel dimension yin and yang.,
    bad things can happens were the souls does not successfully get transport into the gap dimension.. as it can be witness at funerals if u can gain insight into the factor- there are unsuccessful funerals that happens as well – evil entity eats up the physical for energy and also can pull up the mental as well from under earths core and there u have it – permanent destruction of a soul out of existence.. but freak accidents happens as well-this is what produce a so call ghost -this one is not from yin being crossing over to cause havoc type of ghost but from this freak accident.
    sometime the mental is not eaten up and escapes from the evil entity and there u have what u call ghost – it will float around the world and stay underneath it will be able to do things like think and logic ,emotion, but without a the other soul- a one souled being, lost of its other physical and cannot reincarnate.

    ok so u see now – belief vs insight

    ur teaching says this – u gain entry into the realm and it goes against ur teaching then something is wrong here

    ur teaching say this – u gain entry and insight and it matches wthat the teaching says and u can confirm this from personal insight then ur right. then it must exist just like science can land on the moon- the moon looks like this and that..etc u get the point.

    just like an explorer there has to be confirmation of the occurrence i do not belief anything without confirmation of its existence.

    “All I say is that it is difficult to accept that a soul is permanently destroyed but I’m not knowledgeable enough to say if you’re right or wrong. I’m not questioning your experiences, just reacting over this bit because permanent destruction is not something that I can understand.
    I can go as far as understanding that a soul won’t be able to reincarnate (before long), but permanent destruction is too extreme in my opinion.”

    as i do respect others belief system and do not bash – even atheist who believes there no such things as paranormal and magic or the existence or other beings, i also respect their views even though they are wrong about this information..

    . i actually favor atheist because they have a very scientific mind –

    even though they are wrong but i feel they are very tao and scientific in a way .just like Taoist they are .doing their best to understand the world, same as tao exploration ,they base their knowledge of whats available to them and what they know, they do not believe anything of whatever people or teachings say – because in order for them to believe they must , see , put into practice and interact and have evidene for . if they cannot do it then they do not believe they just simply mark and label it as ” I do not know if it exist or not.” they based on what they have evidence for and the info that’s available for them that does have supporting evidence.

    My information does not match ur belief system and teaching and what u were told

    all i can say is i dun expect u to believe what i am saying is abosultely true – i cannot show it to u, if i can’t show it to u then my creditbility is not reliable and u should not believe me..i am not a reilious person preaching about this and that. ..i believe in evidence and exploration. and hands on experience.

    .this is something u must see for ur self and ur own exploration..perhaps if u can gain isight into these factors and one day u can prove me wrong and urs is right all this time ..

    .

  6. Phillip July 19, 2014 at 10:54 pm

    “Wrong tai chi logo”

    Yes the tai chi logo is an experiment of mine, I’m asking the I Ching which colors to use, but it’s a difficult process and I didn’t think about the shape, and it’s definitely not a priority of mine, more a hobby. It’s the second version of it. In fact I was focused on where are the young and old yin and yang, and which colors to use. Thanks for the input, I’ll try to improve it whenever I can.

    Thanks for the input”

    “srry for the crizicism ummm—-whaat??? experiment with it? can u explain to me the meaning and science of this new logo of ur means and how can it be experimented by altering this ying yang symbol. what does the s on the logo -the bright side is upside down with a bright dot in it and the dark side is upside down with the dark spot in it. I would like to know the explanations behind this symbol of urs.

    the correct symbol does not look like an s its a backward s,the bright side should have a dark dot in it- the dark side should have a light dot in it, its not there for decoration its the study of ancient science – the correct one shows if u have knowledge of it or any basics of the history -each color and 4 symbols represents the 4 seasons and explains the planets orbit around the sun and the seasons and sunlight it gets ex bright -brighter,dark , darker
    ex :in the fall – winter at daylight the sun gets darker and darker shorter daylight
    winter – sun gets brighter longer daylight
    spring -summer sun gets brighter and daylight is longer
    summer-fall shorter daylight etc

    this were were astronomy comes into play with the yin yang symbol – when a king in ancient times –who u know now wrote the I-ching and observe the constellations and stars ,and led to the discovery of the 28 constellations ,big dipper and the 5 planets -which is called stars -gold star, earth star,water star,fire star ,wood star…. and these are also were the 5 elements comes from -gold,earth,water,fire,wood – venus , saturn,jupiter,mercury,mars,jupiter
    this now also have other other diagrams by other astronomers during the study of astrology– and the better sense of natures cycle—

    this is where yin yang diagram now again comes into play further development

    the seasons and birth of elements
    spring-associated with wood follows summer –wood produce fire
    summer—-central between fall ==fire produce earth
    central (earth)—fall-gold ==earth produce gold
    fall-gold –winter-water ===gold birth water
    winter-water —spring(wood) ==water produce wood —
    and the cycles patern continues

    also opposite and opposite elements destroying each other

    fall ruins spring – gold ruin wood
    spring ruin long summer- wood ruin earth
    long summer ruin winter – earth ruin water
    winter ruin summer – water ruin fire

    okie my fingers are tired theres ton and tons more ill stop here but u get the point…

    I do have an opinion of it…
    I do disagree when people say I-ching is toaism…because it was not made or invented by tao . but written by a king in ancient china who specialize in astronomy and astrology, but very good insight into nature’s cycle –totaly ancient albert Einstein of his day— its not toaism but mixes very well with Taoism to improve knowledge and improve life. –u dun even need to know I-ching to be a tao- u can also be a normal person and still study I-ching is not made or written by tao and not a tao thing but it fits perfectly into tao.

    compare I-ching and tao- they fit well and complete each other –I ching cannot look into the other dimension because the its physical factors of this demension being observe such as the study the stars and planets and its affect on earth – but it also does goes into the different dimension of those different planets but u can’t use i -ching to witness these things but u can experience these things with tao in the other dimension -even other life in space.

    tao are expertise and speacilize on whats on the other dimension such as dealing with the situation -ex , spiritual – ,negative,energy and cleansing and exorcism, these are things that exist in the other dimension that does not exist in this demension that I-ching cannot get into

    I ching – specialize on this physical realm and situations here that u can interact and put into practice. to improve life

    so tao – other dimension situation – I-ching- here physical demension here that we life in type of situations, goes very well and complete each other.

  7. DL July 20, 2014 at 12:43 am

    Hi Phillip and taobabe,

    ” is this all from this book ur pulling from, or is it personal entry to the other demension that u are getting this information from? ”

    I get my information from various sources: I Ching (an oracle), Bible, Bhagavad Gita, Tao Te Ching and I have studied some Confucian texts such as the Great Learning. I also study comparative mythology when I have time. It tells me that there was one religion from the North of Europe to India and even Iran: it’s called the proto Indo-European religion.

    However my knowledge is very limited and I often misinterpret or misunderstand so it’s not as reliable as experiences such like yours.

    “can u gain entry into the other realm and get an insight into the process and confirm this is true?”

    No, that’s not my goal anyway. The I Ching tells me what I need to know. But there are limits. For this kind of stuff I’m told that it is not my business: hexagram 44 line 2:

    “There is a fish in the tank. No blame.
    Does not further guests.”

    It’s like if you own a restaurant you don’t want the customers in the kitchen, if you have a credit card you don’t want to give your codes to strangers then I’m not allowed to get information about this stuff. For you it’s different since apparently you’ve been dragged into this.

    “Lets say for example someone decides to make up a god- they worship thes deities would u be able to gain acess into the other dimension and see this worship energy go towards that diety and interact with that diety?”

    No, I’m not able nor willing to do that.

    All I can say is that would not contradict the Bhagavad Gita, the Tao Te Ching and the I Ching.

    “I can also not provide u any evidence ”

    That’s ok I’m not questioning your sincerity, I just don’t understand permanent soul destruction..

    “.Here i do not read or believe in anything a book or anything /anyone says ”

    That’s your choice, it’s ok with me. I’m not here to lecture you about it.

    “in ur belief system its doesn’t matter what diety u belief in because its one and the same- u worship incredible hulk it goes to same diety – u worship santa claus energy goes to same diety- u worship iron man – worship energy goes to same dude. u worship the devil – same thing goes to same guy. ”

    Not exactly, your prayers go to the supreme God but your bonds go to whoever/whatever you have worshipped. So, who or what you worship is the channel between you and God.

    Brahmā, the creator, in the beginning created human beings
    together with Yajna and said: By serving each other you
    shall prosper and Yajna shall fulfill all your desires. (3.10)

    Nourish the Devas with Yajna, and the Devas will nourish
    you. Thus helping one another you shall attain the Supreme
    goal. (3.11)
    (Deva means a deity, a semi-god, a god, a celestial person,
    the agent of God, one who fulfills desires and protects and
    supports life.)

    That’s for the guys who worship the devas, for those who worship ghosts or demons then they go to ghosts and demons. So, if the soul that you or your master have seen eaten by a demon, it’s possible that this person has worshipped a demon.

    The Sāttvika persons worship Devas, the Rājasika people
    worship Devas and demons, and the Tāmasika persons
    worship ghosts and spirits. (17.04)

    Worshippers of the Devas go to the Devas, the worshippers
    of the ancestors go to the ancestors, and the worshippers of
    the ghosts go to the ghosts, but My devotees come to Me
    and are not born again. (See also 8.16) (9.25)

    I’m not questioning that, I just don’t understand that the soul can be destroyed.

    it can be witness at funerals if u can gain insight into the factor- there are unsuccessful funerals that happens as well – evil entity eats up the physical for energy and also can pull up the mental as well from under earths core and there u have it – permanent destruction of a soul out of existence..

    Mental and Physical souls cannot be Atma. Krishna says that there are 3 modes: Sattva, Rajas and Tamas.

    The first mode Sattva is the mode of purity and goodness, it’s the mode of the soul, the saints and the kings are in the mode of Sattva.

    Rajas is the mode of passion and domination, it’s the mode of the will, the warriors are in the mode of Rajas.

    Tamas is the mode of ignorance and anger, it’s the mode of the body, the merchants, the peasants and the entertainers are said to be in the mode of Tamas.

    So you see 2 souls, mental and physical, but there must be a third one which is the divine soul.

    Atmā in the body is eternal indivisible fragment of
    Paramātmā or God. Atmā associates with the six senses of
    perception, including the mind, and it is then called Jeeva
    or Jeevātmā. (15.07)

    Since Atma is a fragment of God, how can it be permanently destroyed?

    “.this is something u must see for ur self and ur own exploration..perhaps if u can gain isight into these factors and one day u can prove me wrong and urs is right all this time ..”

    It’s not my goal to prove you wrong, besides what you says does not contradict the Bhagavad Gita that much, which is why I asked if it was traditional knowledge. My goal is to try to understand. Also, I am not interested for the time being by travelling in the astral or seeing demons, but I don’t deny that this stuff exists.

  8. DL July 20, 2014 at 1:12 am

    Thanks for the input on the tai chi. When I asked the I Ching about the yin and yang I got 41.1 so I must have interpreted this wrongly. I often double check but this is not my main project.

    ” I would like to know the explanations behind this symbol of urs.”

    There is no explanation, I was just trying to figure out where the old yang, old yin, young yin and young yang are in the symbol and what colors I should use. It’s not a finished project.

    “I ching cannot look into the other dimension”

    About the I Ching, I’m not going to contradict you because that would go against 8.5

  9. Phillip July 20, 2014 at 1:01 pm

    “I get my information from various sources: I Ching (an oracle), Bible, Bhagavad Gita, Tao Te Ching and I have studied some Confucian texts such as the Great Learning. I also study comparative mythology when I have time. It tells me that there was one religion from the North of Europe to India and even Iran: it’s called the proto Indo-European religion.

    Bible, Bhagavad Gita :

    real tao =focus what real actual occurrence not a load of crap having to do with worship and relgion or :this is not tao at all its religion based on worship and faith.meaning u put faith and trust in something that u cannot see. tao observe,interact, and can be put into practice and use it solve real situations — not praying to some god and expecting some shit to happen or a miracle to happen.

    on Confucian

    tang dynasty Confucian begans —
    yuen time period and so on.)- here in this time period china has been taken over by mangolians – emperor like the idea – and blend together tao- Confucian and budhist into one load of crap all 3 shit into one bowl of crap. emperor favor budhist – but the people does not so the emperor blend all this shit together to suit the peoples satisfaction and so he can still get his satisfaction as well with his budhist shit.so I call Confucian corrupted bullshit..tcontrolling people and for political reason behind this Confucian rip off crap not pure philosophy and does not blend with actual real tao

    “I also study comparative mythology when I have time: ::::

    okie –all these source is not at all reliable nor is it a learning system at all. –its taking stuff here and there and forming ur own salad bowl.
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    “in ur belief system its doesn’t matter what diety u belief in because its one and the same- u worship incredible hulk it goes to same diety – u worship santa claus energy goes to same diety- u worship iron man – worship energy goes to same dude. u worship the devil – same thing goes to same guy. ”

    Not exactly, your prayers go to the supreme God but your bonds go to whoever/whatever you have worshipped. So, who or what you worship is the channel between you and God.

    well is this is what u strongly believe in that then i am not going to bash and critisize on ur belief system
    anyone can believe whatever they want its free will-

    if ur wrong u suffer the consequence when u die
    if ur right then ok good for u. i

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    “That’s ok I’m not questioning your sincerity, I just don’t understand permanent soul destruction.. ”

    Mental and Physical souls cannot be Atma. Krishna says that there are 3 modes: Sattva, Rajas and Tamas.

    The first mode Sattva is the mode of purity and goodness, it’s the mode of the soul, the saints and the kings are in the mode of Sattva.

    Rajas is the mode of passion and domination, it’s the mode of the will, the warriors are in the mode of Rajas.

    Tamas is the mode of ignorance and anger, it’s the mode of the body, the merchants, the peasants and the entertainers are said to be in the mode of Tamas.

    Atmā in the body is eternal indivisible fragment of
    Paramātmā or God. Atmā associates with the six senses of
    perception, including the mind, and it is then called Jeeva
    or Jeevātmā. (15.07)

    Since Atma is a fragment of God, how can it be permanently destroyed?

    okie i have no idea what this atma thing is and i do not believe in this Krishna god thing u worship in ur religion and do not agree with the teachings in ur religion–but ok lets set the difference aside and skip all this kirshna or what god shit…—and do some comparison and opinion in the subject – about what happens in the other dimension …and the reality of natures laws…
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    sattva soul – ur a saint or king
    raja soull- ur are a warrior
    tama – ur a normal person,busnessman, ,entertainer

    so let me get this straight herere

    this da k guy says u have one of the 3 soul thingy when u are born
    Sat – preach – high authority personel
    raj – a fighter
    tam – rich business guy , normal person , actor

    so is this ur destiny and fate when u are born???? u are either a high autorithy guy probably working for or a high official or u are a fight-martial artist or u are tamma -which is the rest of everybody eles actor, business guy, normal guy…

    okie – – here is my intake and opinion on this view on the topic of fate and destiny

    and my view on and factors that influence fate and destiny

    1. things that occur in the other dimension that effects ur fate.

    so lets say u seek an oracle – or furtune teller to predict ur future- but still it will not be accuruate on your r reading and still have missing gaps – because there are also other elements involve including

    2. physical factors example people in ur social group,friends and people u hang with / ur health,where u live, etc

    3. and ur life style -how u act-behave etc will affect if its good ,kind, loving, friendly or imoral or un virtue,evils then the other 2 elements above will be affected which lead to ur own fate and its consequence or achievments. depending what route u take.

    so pretty much from my standpoint u do have these things that influene ur destiny the physical factor u can change but the factors the occur in the other dimension it is fixed and u cannot change because its not a physical thing and its is how the universe operates that is unchangable. but still fate and destiny is still your control depending what route u take u can be rich or poor bad or evil -u can still end up being normal person,high authority personel, entertainmer or whatever it is u still have control over ur own destiny its not absolute – it all depends on the route u take and decision making..

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    ummm let me get a clear understanding of this other thing about soul….

    u have 3 mode thingy – S R T
    and this A thingy – that urs heaven 6 sense stuff…

    S = this ur soul mode if ur a preacher or high authority personal
    R = u like to fight kinda guy maybe a martial artist or some shit
    T = ur ignorant and angry – ur a busness guy, normal person or u are a stage performer or circus actor .

    and this Atma thing is the devine stuff –heaven fragment and 6 sense stuff?and all thoughts process in the mind is in this a thing as well as its a devine kind of shit right?

    so does every individual’s soul has SRT +Atma ? or it do they only get one of these things plus atma?

    this soul u get dictakes on ur financial carreer and occupation ?

    depending if ur a for expample preacher/high authority personel, fighter, or a normal person middle class or bunessman rich guy or u are a movie actor, stage or circus performer ?

    and so wen ur soul is one of these SRT type -then this diticates ur fate and destiny?

    let say u have a raja soul – so does this mean u are fated and destine to become a martial artist or boxer etc?

    So you see 2 souls, mental and physical, but there must be a third one which is the divine soul.

    Atmā in the body is eternal indivisible fragment of
    Paramātmā or God. Atmā associates with the six senses of
    perception, including the mind, and it is then called Jeeva
    or Jeevātmā. (15.07)

    Since Atma is a fragment of God, how can it be permanently destroyed?

    ok i find this concept nieve—soul types based on ur financial career and occupation
    — sounds like something out of ancient warrior time shit or a chessy fairy tale movie…

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    ok here i do see 3 souls and yes there is a divine soul,,i never say theres is only 2 souls –
    there are 3 souls and 7 energies layers

    1 divine, heaven , celestrial or whatever u want to call this –same shit..
    2. mental
    3 phyiscal

    all these work in conjunction to each other to make u complete- ur consciousness- ur body and movements – ur divine soul which reflects ur life and luck . etc.

    ok lets start off discussing the divine soul thingy –
    there are things occurring in this section– so actions you do here or any occurrence happening here in this physical state -good or bad will reflect on this divine soul – because it is also the main control of ur life such as luck etc.
    this devine souls is where u get ur 6th sense-having it activated will allow u to interact with the other demension but when u are born shortly after it gets deactivated so u cannot have interaction with other realm and see ghost /gods or perform soul travel and shit. this is the main reason why people cannot just simply see ghost,gods or have any interaaction with the other demension because shortly when they are born its deactivated and goes to sleep.this devine soul is active but the 6th sense is deactivated – but also does it jobs and secure the other 2 souls in place. mental and physical.

    mental : all ur , thinking, logic, ,imagination basically everything thats make u a person and ur personality which make u or put it in a better term — this is ur consciousness

    physical – this allow u to move- make movement- react , physical movements , move ur arms and legs ,react to things. etc. ok have u ever seen someone get into an accident – fall or a cliff get in car accident or whatever – then they end up in a coma- but when u talk to them they can still hear u? when the wake up from their coma they claim to cannot move but they can still hear u talk and the whole conversation —ok here physical factors – crebrel and bain stem damgae – other dimension factor – physical soul knock out of place so cannot make movements – however mental still in place – and able to think and have consciousness and this is exactly what happens during a coma.
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    ok i cannot show u the other dimension because u cannot see whats on the other side but i have a way to prove to u this to be true and how theese 2 souls function differently and u can test this theory out for ur self to see what i am saying really does exist by doing some self experiment and try gaining aceess and using ur two souls an see how they work in conjuction with each other.

    i cannot show u a soul heaven test because its not something u can interact with- but i can show u a simple test for ur other 2 souls to see if what i am saying correspond and match up with the theory of 3 souls.

    Ok on soul mental – i say this is ur consciousness- ur thinking logic ,memories, and emotions is ur soul mental – ok lets experiment and see if u can use ur soul mental?

    think about memories-
    think about what makes u sad or happy
    what u did this mourning-
    talk to urself inside ur mind –
    when ur driving a car do u need to think about the location?
    when u are typing a response to me do u have to think what to wright about ?
    when u are walking up the stair do u think about going to which room?
    when u are running do u think about where to run to?
    when u are walking do u think about ur next destination ?

    ok now on to soul physical – i say this souls is movement – make movement- react , physical movements , move ur arms and legs ,react to things. etc.- reflexes etc lets do some experiment and see if what this soul physical that i am talking about really does exist as i say it exist wit this theory in test:

    *when u drive a car – do u need to think about how to drive a car? or is it 2n nature to u through reapitory movement ?

    *when u are typing to me – let say u have taken keyboard leason- do u need to think about how to type ? or is it 2nd nature u just do it and type?

    *when u are walking up the stairs do u need to think about how to walk up the stairs? or is it u can automatically walk up the stairs without even thinking about it?

    *when u are running u do think about how to run- or is it u can already run – and dun have to think about it?u just simply do it-

    *when u are walk do u need to think about raising one foot up and other foot down and think about how to walk ? or is it u can just do it and walk?

    OK lets try this — try to use ur mental soul and move? can u do it

    or try to use ur physical soul and think – can u do that?

    no right – when u walk jump run , ride bike – u dun use ur mental soul u dun even think about it u just do it u are using physical- – u dun even think about it – u jus pedal – walk and jump and just do it right?

    now when u use ur mental soul and physical soul together –think about what type of soul u are gaining access to and using – example : when u drive a car – ok u use ur mental soul to think about the location of ur destination – u use ur physical soul to steer and pedal- u dun even have to think about steering because u did so many times u can do it without thinking it because its 2nd nature to u…

    or when u are walking – what type of soul do u use –u use ur mental for ur next destination and ur physical to move ur legs and walk – u dun even need to think about it u just do it its 2nd nature u just automatically kno and do without thinking. because these 2 souls operates differently ..

    and wit these self experiment for usself u can see and and differentiate who these 2 operate different but work in conjuction to each other.

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    ok were was i : back to the subject on how souls can be destroy

    U have 7 layers of energy the protects ur 3 souls – mental ,physical and divine

    ok u die – body organ and brain shuts down – and no longer functions

    ur divine soul is no longer needed it goes up into space and into natures pool or energy
    and by the way

    ur quote So you see 2 souls, mental and physical, but there must be a third one which is the divine soul.

    Atmā in the body is eternal indivisible fragment of
    Paramātmā or God. Atmā associates with the six senses of
    perception, including the mind, and it is then called Jeeva
    or Jeevātmā. (15.07)

    Since Atma is a fragment of God, how can it be permanently destroyed?

    Ok i guess u are refereeing to this atma thingy or whatever u call it a divine soul and i never say a divine soul is destroyed when u die if evil entity try to eat u because this divine soul floats upwards immediately into nature’s energy so i never say a heavenly soul gets eaten anyways back to the process of the other 2 souls after ur heaven soul returns to the cosmic

    day 1 – 1 energy layers dies off ur soul mental sinks down
    :reason : its ur consciousness and everything that makes u- u consisting of ur whole life experience , memories, knowledge, thinking, logic, etc

    day 2 =2nd layer of energy dies off metnal sinks down earth further

    this process repeasts 1-7 and each layer of energy dies off..

    ok now the mental is all the way down earth- and all the 7 energy that is keeping the physical on ur corpse is now gone .. then what happends next? ur physical will sink down to combine with ur mental since there is nothing holding it back in place so it sinks down.

    ok so during ur lifetime if u are a smart ass- geek, nerd thinking type of guy ur mental is stronger- or in ur lifetime u are athletic – u are wresetler, fighter, martial artist, weight lifter ,soccer player or u into labor work with physical demanding career and job and not educational career then ur physical will be stronger then mental what ever is stronger it push pulls to the other direction but eventually combine into a dual soul having both physical and mental again which is then transport to another dimension -yin for reincarnation

    ok on the topic if getting eating by entity – i am not going into the topic of ur religion of whats not possible or what entitity is good or evil

    but i will explain the factors how evil entity eat ur souls – ok physical soul will be there for days until it goes underground so its a big fat meal for the entity as it remain there for day waiting for the 7 energy to die off. –physical get eaten up—- next thing ur mental soul which that is under ground will be pull back up by this evil entity – there u have it –

    u dun exist anymore…

    let say evil entity only ate ur soul physical – and forgot about ur mental soul or u suscessfully escape ur soul mental —what happens next??? without soul physical and mental u can’t reincarnate -, u can’t reincarnate without movement nor can u reincarnate without a consiouslness u need both -ok u have ur conscouness, ur logic, thinking, et but u cannot use ur dead corpse because its cannot support life- all organ funtions are dead- u cannot enter a healthy person’s body because they have 7 energy protection layer on them – so it will feel like fire to u if u try to attempt to posess them and to knock their soul out of place and make it ur own —- nor do u have a physical soul ..so what now???

    ur a ghost now –and ur screwed- ..

  10. taobabe July 20, 2014 at 1:34 pm

    …interesting!

  11. Phillip July 21, 2014 at 8:46 pm

    (This posting has been edited for compliance with Taobabe standards of communications. With much love, Taobabe)

    ummm okie -xxxx –xxxx. i am cultivating this magic form this lineage- and undergoing self exorcism..-used to be client-because i needed exorcism – then had to learn this shit to do self exorcism because of attacks—…like i said i dun read books i get info straight from the experts mouth– ..i am also no expert in this shit…u wanna kno shit ask the expert himself…okay end of debate here my hands are tired from this debate with u…- u wanna know shit u know were look this info-juz give him a call and ask shit..

  12. DL July 22, 2014 at 4:18 am

    Ok Phillip, I’m glad it solved your issues. When I was a young I Ching student I believed in the comments so much that they magically took form before me.

    For example when it said:

    The man with the scarlet knee bands is just coming.
    It furthers one to offer sacrifice.

    (47.2)

    Then I was seeing a guy with red pants coming.

    Or when it says:

    He comes very quietly, oppressed in a golden carriage. (47.4)

    Then one of my friends was lent a golden car.

    That’s what Krishna means when he says he makes our faith steady. So, is this delusional? In fact our world is made of what we believe. So, you won’t see me tell you that your magic is crap, I’m sure it works for you. But there are things that I can’t understand like perma-death. That’s going too far.

    So, what to do? Shall we believe everything or nothing? The answer is in the Tao Te Ching. Laozi explains this:

    Thus, constantly without desire, one observes its essence
    Constantly with desire, one observes its manifestations

    Laozi says if you don’t have desires then you get to the inner knowledge but if you have desires you will see magic stuff. That’s the idea behind wu wei, non-action:

    The people all have goals
    And I alone am stubborn and lowly
    I alone am different from them
    And value the nourishing mother

    In the Bhagavad Gita, Krishna also speaks about wu wei:

    Even the wise are confused about what is action and what
    is inaction. Therefore, I shall clearly explain what is action,
    knowing this one shall be liberated from the evil of birth
    and death. (4.16)
    The true nature of action is very difficult to understand.
    Therefore, one should know the nature of attached action,
    the nature of detached action, and also the nature of
    forbidden action. (4.17)
    The one who sees inaction in action, and action in inaction,
    is a wise person. Such a person is a yogi and has achieved
    everything. (See also 3.05, 3.27, 5.08 and 13.29) (4.18)

    One who has abandoned attachment to the fruits of work,
    who is ever content and dependent on no one but Krishna;
    such a person does nothing at all though engaged in
    activity and incurs no Kārmic reaction. (4.20)
    One who is free from desires, whose mind and senses are
    under control, and who has given up the feeling of
    ownership, does not incur sin  the Kārmic reaction  by
    doing any work. (4.21)
    A KarmaYogi  who is content with whatever gain comes
    naturally by His will, unaffected by pairs of opposites such
    as victory and defeat, free from envy, even-minded in
    success and failure  is not bound by Karma. (4.22)
    All Kārmic bonds of a KarmaYogi  who is free from
    attachment, whose mind is fixed in Self-knowledge, and
    who does as a service to the Lord  dissolve away.
    (4.23)
    The divine Spirit (Brahma or Eternal Being) has become
    everything. Divinity (Brahma, Self or Spirit) shall be realized
    by one who considers everything as a manifestation
    (or an act) of Brahma. (Also see 9.16) (4.24)

    So you see, Krishna and Laozi say the same stuff, that’s why it’s been joked that Laozi was a translator of the Bhagavad Gita.

    http://www.realchange.org/taoish/authoritative-answers-to-questions-about-taoism/

    As for you master’s teachings they go as far as contradicting the I Ching, the Tao Te Ching and the Bhagavad Gita, so that’s too much for me to accept. When someone makes a claim I always check it with the I Ching and that ones didn’t work.

    Thanks for the input on the Taijitsu, this conversation has been very helpful to me.

  13. Phillip July 22, 2014 at 5:55 am

    so let me get this clear to u–this article here is mines true and the idea and points across is mines

    i did not type this article and do not have aces to the blog only commentary and conversation so many things are misinterpret such as my level of magic and cultivation level.

    -all my comments and conversations with tao babe on taoism are collected by her from other sections of her blog gather up and re-edited into an article as she ask if she can do an article and i agree- –and she be the editor of the article.

    for example :
    aticle says i cultivated and able to gain entry into my 3 souls — well no i can’t this is not something a believer or a beginner can do– i cannot soul travel – soul travel requires someone at high level , people in the lineage that have been there for some time can do this – some can even reach celestrial realm – some have weak connection while some have very strong connection–
    so if i wonder whats happens in the other dimension i just ask whats going on up there? the master or the students there can tell u what they see..

    the information about the travel is from a female practioner along with the Taoist master’s experience .

    as for my ability -as someone starting off and gaining – i developed sensory- very much like a 6th sense but more different – its solid -and strong –that lets me sense energy – feel energy – and interact with energy – so with this ability i can sense evil and negative energy if its heading my way or near me – this allow me to interact with the 3 souls –such as for doing exorcism-cleansing them out- and other cultivations to power them up or cast protection seal and many other things with it but to actually go there –no..

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    u wanna know my story and why i do not agree on ur blelief system with making up gods and worshiping anygod and it goes to ur Krishna god guy???

    I used to be a Christian and believe in Jesus- i come from a Christian background ,
    I myself used to read the bible just like u , and do daily praying etc..

    my parents even worhshiper a 2nd god -along with the jesus stuff–

    family was even curst by a sorcerer…

    I ran into spiritual problems – i seek help from many masters in the field of exorcism.

    i ran into a budhist monk- who claim he can help – his ceremony ritual was bullshit- i was nieve to even believing that i need to convert to budhism –he even got me to worship Guan Yin.—my problems gotten worse not better- it even skyrocked and i almost died right after his bullshit ceremony. I had budhist chants on my audio player -day and night–i was praying my ass off..but things gotten even worst –i was desperate and needed help..as i almost died..

    so u see in the article – i talk about Christianity- and guan yin–this is from self experience i do not just pick a religion and say its bullshit because i have actually been and participated in these relgion and i suffered the consequences myself first hand

    soon i became a client not as a practitioner believer in tin yat magic yet – but as a client –seeking to get exorcism done –first thing –was i had to destroy the guan yin statue – i had to throw all religious item away–soon right after that–things got less heavy and the attack decreased…

    2nd step- diagnosis – :during my diagnosis – as a client those were protal openings i had and the sorcerer’s alter -and the attack consist of ghost -quai-evil god –

    article said i gain entry and travel there by cultivating –well no –

    -and i have only develop 6th sense starting off as of right now-

    – this is when i was a client and gotten diagnosis done and discover these portal openng and the different type of spirit i was contaminated with —before exorcism and treatment..

    the reason i list ghost-yeu-quai -evil god guan yin-Christianity and not other religion and stuff into this topic because this is what i know about and experience first hand and know its characteristics and attack method and how they operate in their attack- as a victim..

    i gotten exorcism done –but because of 2 years of attacks its not something that can be solve in one day —its like poison and need to be detox out the body day by day

    soon i became a believer and practioner – and deal with these through direct teaching and direct communication from the master himself .

    so these are the types of evils i have encounter and learned how to deal with

    exorcising and killing ghost-evilgod-goo- etc

    there are tons more type of evil that is out there – if i encounter one of these new types that’s beyond those 3 type i have to deal with then ill be in trouble because i would not be able to kill those off on my own without further teaching and knowledge-

    i have actually encounter one type of evil that is many times more powerful then then the 2 its actually in the yeu category but its characters is very similar to the western succubus

    -the new one that i encounter that is beyond my understanding and have to struggle for days even lost of sleep until i was able to gain the ability to solve the issue on my own–and during those days of struggle i had to fend for myself and receive further teachings to deal with the situation.so–

    -as u can see this is where i am at in my cultivation level- still a learner and doing experiments not some powerful exorcism guy or ghost buster that can bust out any type of evil stuff-

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    so this is why i disagree on ur belief system because this once was my belief system

    at one point — and i suffer the consequence from it –and this is a valuabe tough leason i learn the hard way ..

  14. DL July 22, 2014 at 8:26 am

    Ok, your point is that the Christian stuff didn’t help, the Buddhist stuff didn’t help but the Tin Yat stuff helped so the two others are crap but this one is good.

    That does not contradict the Bhagavad Gita or the I Ching, what contradicts the Bhagavad Gita and the I Ching is the stuff about destroying souls. What you say about worshippers captured by random gods also contradicts the Tao Te Ching:

    Thus those who follow the Tao are with the Tao
    Those who follow virtue are with virtue
    Those who follow loss are with loss
    Those who are with the Tao, the Tao is also pleased to have them
    Those who are with virtue, virtue is also pleased to have them
    Those who are with loss, loss is also please to have them
    Those who do not trust sufficiently, others have no trust in them

  15. Phillip July 22, 2014 at 8:45 pm

    (This posting has been edited for compliance with Taobabe standards of communications. With much love, Taobabe)

    ummm okie -xxxx –xxxx. i am cultivating this magic form this lineage

    —my bad srry for the foul language–I am used to having cuss worlds in my speech sometimes I slip–
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    okay about souls being destroyed

    ummm okayz –reason why so much contradiction about the souls destroy ands stuff???well who knows – I dun read these stuff- u do – I dun believe in some of those stuff- its u that believe in it – shit i dun kno.wh it contradict ur stuff ..that’s what happen –books and real stuff dun mix…

    about the tao te ching–according to my tao master guy – he doesn’t agree on it: reason because its related to a tao lineage that promote the tao te ching– that mix together confusionism , taosim and budhism all together–Taoism should be Taoism only not 3 religion mixed into one-something like that —well he knows the full history on it-and read it and do not agree on it ..i dun know much about it as i said i dun read books-

    well okay –i never read up on these -probably never will–dun care about it…
    Well okay –i am not going to base my info from my tao master guy’s perspective –with his knowledge in history and whats bullshit and whats not —and the history in Chinese Taoism and whatnot because it is out of my knowledge range..

    this is going to be opionized only by me and my own thoughts..
    okay –here my tao master guy seen at funeral evil entiy eat up souls in his experienced that he witness himself –u say this cannot be – because it contradicts ur book about souls cannot be destroy
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    ok i will use his eye witness account that he claim he say that really did he saw it

    into a theory based on my own experience–

    if u read my topic on ghost section above in the article -:::

    heres my quote : “” However if I were to be there in person with you, then i would not see it. This is because that ghost has successfully attacked and penetrated through your seven spirit layers and have knocked your three souls out of alignment, which causes you to see illusions”””

    let me interperet for a more clear understanding—— when evil entity attacks –and if he penetrates through the 7 energy protection layer –and knock those 3 souls out of place —let say u see banging or even hear it –to u it seems real–to other if they are next to u they will not see it because it did not really occur but ur 3 souls are being attack and knock out of place which cause u to see all kinds of stuff…

    u kno how i know about this???
    because i was a victim – this is what occurred to me before…
    in a attack or to be more precise multiple attacks—-i had a few of these –one was when i was alone but some of the others when it occur there were bystander who did not see anything…i was the only on that saw it — i had been attacked – as a victim .this is from my personal experience attack when i was being haunted —

    okay –my 3 souls got attack and knock out of place–

    if it can be under attack and even ghost can knock out my 3 souls ouf of place and this is done by a ghost

    —there are stronger evil entity that exist then ghost – ghost can knock 3 souls out of place as i experience the attack first hand— —
    so what about stronger evil entity that are stronger then ghost???

    what can they do??–

    if ghost can knock ur soul out of place of course a much stronger entity has the ability to eat and consume it

    —i see why not this can be the possibility

    ok now from experience in magic and cultivation— i have bust and killed a few ghost – and killed them first hand done by me myself—so do u really believe ghost cannot be destroyed???

    what is a ghost?? a ghost is a soul of a dead person or a soul of a person from the yin realm

    ghost are made up of soul properties — I just killed one right there

    —isn’t that permanent destruction of soul what do u call that-?????

    a ghost is a soul from a person that died or from yin-

    since they already died once – u kill them as a ghost–what happens next ??

    were else could they posissbly go when u kill them??? they already died once and only have that soul—–?? i just kill a soul right there-were else can they go??? out of existence –that’s permanent soul destruction. if i can kill a ghost–a ghost is a soul element –why can’t evil entity eat a soul up when i myself have the ability to kill a soul????

  16. DL July 23, 2014 at 12:24 am

    “well okay –i never read up on these -probably never will–dun care about it…”

    Ok, then we must stop it here because if you don’t have basic understanding of the TTC and the I Ching you won’t be able to understand what I mean.

    “–here my tao master guy seen at funeral evil entiy eat up souls in his experienced that he witness himself –u say this cannot be – because it contradicts ur book about souls cannot be destroy”

    My master told me it does not work that way, so let’s end this conversation.

    Cockcrow penetrating to heaven.
    Perseverance brings misfortune.

    The cock is dependable. It crows at dawn. But it cannot itself fly to heaven. It just crows. A man may count on mere words to awaken faith. This may succeed now and then, but if persisted in, it will have bad consequences.

  17. Phillip July 23, 2014 at 9:25 am

    reason why i dun care about ttc?

    ttc – focus on philosophical stuff- true – but also focus on religion – such as Confucianism, Buddhism and many many many more religion —we do not agree on many of these religion and their teachings —

    as of today it is still in question and debate of who really wrote the ttc – weather its lao zi or somebody else that is the original author—according to my my tao master guy – lao zi did exist but –did not wrote the ttc – he passed a bunch of notes to a guy that also works for the king–the guy like his shit – give it to the king -king like his shit so the king of Zhou organized and publish it into ttc –

    even the books u are reading now –the text could even by reedited from the original and misinterpreted . lao zi is not the aurthor of the ttc —its from a king in Zhou time period

    as for lao zi – hes an official working for the king at one time – and manage the kings and goverments text and database – hes never even open up a tao school or anything just an official government occupation –

    from his my Taoist master guy point of view :
    lao zi – is not the author to ttc, he is not the founder of Taoism, nor is he the source and birth of Taoism ,

    as for the ttc- the ttc is misinterpreted by the quan zhen Sect , if u watch or read any jin yong -condor hero trilogy movie or book u will know what this quan zhen sect is – but they are bullshit crooked sec that blends together tao,confucsionism ,budhism togethert – they then rewrote the ttc and misinterpret the whole thing- even the grammer is a big difference from the time period of lao zi’s death..

    in their bullshit system – this is their crap —

    1.Tao Te Ching Taoism
    2.The Heart Sutra- Buddhism
    3.Xio Jing -Confucianism

    its not pure – tao -they are back up by the king and funded and also put shit that’s whatever suits the kings satisfaction– this sect is already famous for taking shit from other people and misinterpreting it and doing version 2.0..version 2.1..version 2.2 and so on. —

    prior in history -before the ttc that u kno today – there has been the practice of goverment doing -book burning etc.then rebook burning again and again multiple times – and books being rewritten .or other setc misinterpreting and tempering with original ancient text – so i don’t see the point of reading about information that is interpreted and reinterpreted multiple times …if its not the original version -but version 2.0. 2.1 ..2.5…5.0 and so on? then how can u say what ever that written in there is correct when its been temper with countless multiple times?

    “Ok, then we must stop it here because if you don’t have basic understanding of the TTC and the I Ching you won’t be able to understand what I mean.”

    okay?? so if i don’t have basic understanding of something that has been misinterpret and remisintrepreted countless multiple times — then i won’t understand what u mean—sure –but u won’t understand it either because the original text i am pretty sure is burned up in history or if it really exist today the original text it will still be missing pages because of the occurance..

    as for I -ching – tao master guy says not the basic nor is it a foundation for tao- u dun even have to be a tao to read the i-ching-its not a tao thing- the book is written by a king astrologer
    but it goes well with tao could even boost magic by understanding the symbols and stuff –and if ur a person that like divination – its good to understand i-ching then move on into the study of astrology reading, and feng shui. –but i-ching does go well with tao but there are differences, in tao magic – u deal with things that do not exist in this dimension but on the other demension-i-ching do not cover these topics and do not have cultivation nor method on this subject,..

    sure good idea and agree lets end the conversation here- u and me will never come to an agreement and it will be endless debate going nowhere.

  18. DL July 23, 2014 at 11:16 am

    “as for I -ching – tao master guy says not the basic nor is it a foundation for tao- u dun even have to be a tao to read the i-ching-its not a tao thing- the book is written by a king astrologer”

    Nope, the origin of the I Ching comes from when they sacrificed animals then they were reading the cracks on the bones, after that they used tortoise shells and were writing comments on the shell. But they killed too many tortoises, more than 1 million so they almost disappeared. So they started using the yarrow stalks and coins to consult i Ching. Archelogists have found thousands of tortoise shells and some of the comments written on them were the same than those of the I Ching. The king you’re referring has just put organization into this stuff. However the text has evolved over a period of more than 700 years.

    You’d need to read some of the books written by Javary or Shaughnessy to get the full story, which is still not completely known. However you can see what the oracle bones look like here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_bone

    some other info here: http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/learn/history/history.php

    That’s mostly taken from Javary books. Also the trigrams have been invented after the hexagrams, according to Javary.

    So basically, the book of changes is a compilation of comments from divination methods that have evolved overtime, not the work of a single author.

    “i-ching do not cover these topics and do not have cultivation nor method on this subject,..”

    I’ve already answered that:

    Manifestation of holding together.
    In the hunt the king uses beaters on three sides only
    And forgoes game that runs off in front.
    The citizens need no warning.
    Good fortune.

    “There is depicted here a ruler, or influential man, to whom people are attracted. Those who come to him he accepts, those who do not come are allowed to go their own way”

  19. BP July 24, 2014 at 4:39 am

    You have to have spiritual power to fight off magick. If what ever you paid for worked then you should be happy. To say that other lineages are bunk because the one person(s) you went to had no idea what they were doing in a spiritual sense is complete crap. There are exorcists from many different lines that could have gotten rid of your problem. The real problem is finding a person that is qualified. I am glad your situation resolved.

  20. Julie September 13, 2014 at 3:14 pm

    How do you activate your center soul in order to see demons? What are the steps to be taken?

  21. taobabe September 13, 2014 at 4:39 pm

    Hi Julie,
    I don’t know. I’ve not explored that aspect of it as it seems to be rather scary to me. This is a guest posting, which I do once in awhile, when I see someone who has an interesting point of view that I’d like to hear more of. I’ll let the author respond to you, if he so chooses.

    Taobabe

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